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<p>Hi Antonin,</p>
<p>also this:</p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lider-project.eu/lider-project.eu/indexc299.html?q=guidelines">http://lider-project.eu/lider-project.eu/indexc299.html?q=guidelines</a></p>
<p>section 3 of
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.lider-project.eu/sites/default/files/D3.1.2-v2.0.pdf">http://www.lider-project.eu/sites/default/files/D3.1.2-v2.0.pdf</a></p>
<p>Sebastian<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06.02.19 09:48, Antonin Delpeuch
(lists) wrote:<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Hi Sebastian!
Great, that tooling looks very useful indeed! I am neither familiar with
SHACL nor confident with NIF so far so I am probably not best placed to
rewrite NIF in SHACL, but that does seem like a worthwhile project.
Concerning human-readable documentation, I have found this:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/dice-group/gerbil/wiki/How-to-generate-a-NIF-dataset">https://github.com/dice-group/gerbil/wiki/How-to-generate-a-NIF-dataset</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://brown.nlp2rdf.org/">http://brown.nlp2rdf.org/</a>
That's what is closest to what I need, so I will try to improve this as
I find answers to my questions.
Best,
Antonin
On 2/5/19 9:14 PM, Sebastian Hellmann wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Hi Antonin,
On 05.02.19 16:02, Antonin Delpeuch (lists) wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Hi Sebastian,
Great, thanks! Beyond the description of the ontology, it would be quite
useful to have a more explanatory description of NIF as a file format
for NERD datasets. The ontology only loosely describes the format: for
instance, it is not clear to me which statements are required, which
ones are optional, which ones can have multiple values, and so on.
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you need to cut me some slack here. We really tried to do that back then
with the validation model in OWL. However, OWL was not well-suited, so
my PhD student Dimitris Kontokostas made the W3C standard SHACL to
directly address this issue:
* *NLP data cleansing based on Linguistic Ontology constraints
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://jens-lehmann.org/files/2014/eswc_rdfunit_nlp.pdf"><http://jens-lehmann.org/files/2014/eswc_rdfunit_nlp.pdf></a> /by/ Dimitris
Kontokostas, Martin Brümmer, Sebastian Hellmann, Jens Lehmann, and
Lazaros Ioannidis * /in/ Proc. of the Extended Semantic Web Conference 2014
* <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.w3.org/TR/shacl/">https://www.w3.org/TR/shacl/</a>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Moreover, the NIF format also uses predicates from other namespaces
which are not described there, so that makes it even harder to
understand, I think.
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This is also a common problem, which can be addressed by SHACL as well.
If I were to do NIF again, I would only use SHACL and RDFS and not OWL
at all. SHACL is a much better modelling language and you can scope over
external classes.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Having such a document (with examples) would really encourage people
from outside the semantic web community (such as NLP researchers not
familiar with these terminologies) to embrace the format, I think.
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RDFUnit (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/AKSW/RDFUnit">https://github.com/AKSW/RDFUnit</a>) can be hosted as a webservices
with SHACL, so you will get a free validator, see e.g. here:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://databus.dbpedia.org:8080/shacl/validate?d=http://kurzum.net/webid.ttl&A&s=https://raw.githubusercontent.com/dbpedia/webid/master/voc/webid-shacl.ttl">http://databus.dbpedia.org:8080/shacl/validate?d=http://kurzum.net/webid.ttl&A&s=https://raw.githubusercontent.com/dbpedia/webid/master/voc/webid-shacl.ttl</a>
If you have the time, I think it would be good to rewrite NIF in SHACL
and then publish all versions on the Databus. Things will get much
easier for everybody.
All the best,
Sebastian
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Best,
Antonin
On 2/5/19 2:44 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de">hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de</a> wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Hi Antonin,
The turtle file is here
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://persistence.uni-leipzig.org/nlp2rdf/ontologies/nif-core/nif-core.ttl">http://persistence.uni-leipzig.org/nlp2rdf/ontologies/nif-core/nif-core.ttl</a>
There is a broken internal redirect pending to be fixed.
2.1 is here <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/NLP2RDF/ontologies">https://github.com/NLP2RDF/ontologies</a>
Over the years it became clear that publishing ontologies like this is
very unpractical. We are working on <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://databus.dbpedia.org">https://databus.dbpedia.org</a> .
When it is ready, I will migrate the ontology there. It like maven
central for data, so you can build your app on the right version...
Sebastian
On February 5, 2019 2:32:29 PM GMT+01:00, "Antonin Delpeuch (lists)"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lists@antonin.delpeuch.eu"><lists@antonin.delpeuch.eu></a> wrote:
Hi,
I was looking for the definition of the NIF format. It seems that it
used to be available at:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://persistence.uni-leipzig.org/nlp2rdf/ontologies/nif-core#">http://persistence.uni-leipzig.org/nlp2rdf/ontologies/nif-core#</a>
This link currently gives an HTTP 403 error for me. I found it in the
"Integrating NLP using Linked Data paper":
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://svn.aksw.org/papers/2013/ISWC_NIF/public.pdf">http://svn.aksw.org/papers/2013/ISWC_NIF/public.pdf</a>
Given that this link appears in a published paper, I think it is very
important that there is an effort to maintain it (otherwise the
"persistence" in the domain name is not really deserved).
The same link is also used at:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://persistence.uni-leipzig.org/nlp2rdf/">http://persistence.uni-leipzig.org/nlp2rdf/</a>
Thanks to Wikidata (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q31794099">https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q31794099</a>) I was able
to find
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://persistence.uni-leipzig.org/nlp2rdf/ontologies/nif-core/nif-core.html">http://persistence.uni-leipzig.org/nlp2rdf/ontologies/nif-core/nif-core.html</a>,
which seems to be about NIF 2.0, what about NIF 2.1?
Best regards,
Antonin Delpeuch
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